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Still learning (long post)


I feel like im getting a lot better. I have played a tour de force of hands this past week a la Lukie. I've been 4 to 6 tabling and playing for 10-12 hours each day (about 50k hands in the last 10 days). Im basically breaking even, but im learning a lot. Im doing a TON of experimentation with my game. Im experimenting with different styles: i've played anywhere from 16/12 nit to 26/22 lag, with some fun and enlightening results.

One part of my game that was severely lacking was threebetting. I sucked at picking spots to threebet, and i sucked at dealing with threebets against me.

One thing i read that extremely helped me out was CTS's blog entry on Cardrunners about three and fourbetting. He suggests a style where you threebet decent players with crap hands on a random (and inexcessive) basis, and then manipulate the pot with position after the flop. One problem with my game before was that I was only threebetting people light from the blinds (as a defense mechanism). I found that its clearly better to do it on the button and don't worry so much about having your blinds stolen. TAG's don't like to play reraised pots out of position, so they will often fourbet or fold, which means massive EV for you (unless they start 4betting you light, at which you just shift gears and wait for AA lol).

He also suggests fourbet pushing a wider range against people who overuse the above tactic against you. Basically, if LAG villain three bets you with a wide range X, then you can profitably shove 4bet (assuming 100bb stacks) a fairly wide range Y, which usually consists of QQ+ AK and AXs TT-JJ. The idea is that a suited ace actually plays fairly well against a sane calling range (30% equity vs QQ+ AK), and since they rarely have that range you take down a 14bb pot most of the time, and they can't call you too lightly because you are shoving your monsters too.

I had a fairly successfull 4k hand session last night (6 tabling on stars). What follows is most of the big pots I played.




LOL my new threebetting strategy puts people on monkeytilt.


PokerStars GAME #7477266403: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/17 - 00:31:57 (ET)
Table 'Astraea' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: tökfej ($50.50 in chips)
Seat 2: wingman65 ($217.35 in chips)
Seat 3: jozie7 ($240.15 in chips)
Seat 4: GamblerNCH ($96.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Aldreas ($83.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Renton555 ($203.80 in chips)
Renton555: posts small blind $0.50
tökfej: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Ac Qc]

wingman65: folds
jozie7: calls $1
GamblerNCH: folds
Aldreas: raises $4 to $5
Renton555: raises $11 to $16
tökfej: folds
jozie7: folds
Aldreas: calls $11

*** FLOP *** [4c 2c 6s]

Renton555: bets $24
Aldreas: raises $43.50 to $67.50 and is all-in
Renton555: calls $43.50

*** TURN *** [4c 2c 6s] [8s]

*** RIVER *** [4c 2c 6s 8s] [Kd]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

Renton555: shows [Ac Qc] (high card Ace)
Aldreas: mucks hand
Renton555 collected $166 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $169 | Rake $3
Board [4c 2c 6s 8s Kd]
Seat 1: tökfej (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: wingman65 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jozie7 folded before Flop
Seat 4: GamblerNCH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Aldreas (button) mucked [Ts As]
Seat 6: Renton555 (small blind) showed [Ac Qc] and won ($166) with high card Ace




Same guy.

PokerStars GAME #7477141327: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/17 - 00:21:59 (ET)
Table 'Astraea' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: tökfej ($56 in chips)
Seat 2: wingman65 ($223.85 in chips)
Seat 3: jozie7 ($222.35 in chips)
Seat 4: GamblerNCH ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Aldreas ($171.55 in chips)
Seat 6: Renton555 ($100.10 in chips)
Renton555: posts small blind $0.50
tökfej: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [3d 3c]

wingman65: folds
jozie7: folds
GamblerNCH: raises $3 to $4
Aldreas: calls $4
Renton555: calls $3.50
tökfej: folds

*** FLOP *** [7s 3h 2h]

Renton555: checks
GamblerNCH: checks
Aldreas: bets $8
Renton555: raises $20 to $28
GamblerNCH: folds
Aldreas: raises $72 to $100
Renton555: calls $68.10 and is all-in

*** TURN *** [7s 3h 2h] [3s]

*** RIVER *** [7s 3h 2h 3s] [4d]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

Renton555: shows [3d 3c] (four of a kind, Threes)
Aldreas: mucks hand
Renton555 collected $202.20 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $205.20 | Rake $3
Board [7s 3h 2h 3s 4d]
Seat 1: tökfej (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: wingman65 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jozie7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: GamblerNCH folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Aldreas (button) mucked [9d Jd]
Seat 6: Renton555 (small blind) showed [3d 3c] and won ($202.20) with four of a kind, Threes







PokerStars GAME #7479749789: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/17 - 05:52:48 (ET)
Table 'Gilgamesh' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: liji ($103.80 in chips)
Seat 2: Shevvers ($86.10 in chips)
Seat 3: Renton555 ($107.95 in chips)
Seat 4: HOUSEMYGROOV ($136.25 in chips)
Seat 5: Zefa ($100 in chips)
Seat 6: Lucky_WIns ($100 in chips)
Shevvers: posts small blind $0.50
Renton555: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [6c 4c]

HOUSEMYGROOV: calls $1
Zefa: folds
Lucky_WIns: folds
liji: folds
Shevvers: calls $0.50
Renton555: checks

*** FLOP *** [3s 9c 2d]

Shevvers: checks
Renton555: checks
HOUSEMYGROOV: checks

*** TURN *** [3s 9c 2d] [Jh]

Shevvers: checks
Renton555: checks
HOUSEMYGROOV: checks

*** RIVER *** [3s 9c 2d Jh] [5h]

Shevvers: checks
Renton555: checks
HOUSEMYGROOV: bets $4
Shevvers: folds
Renton555: raises $22 to $26
HOUSEMYGROOV: raises $22 to $48
Renton555: raises $58.95 to $106.95 and is all-in
HOUSEMYGROOV: calls $58.95

*** SHOW DOWN ***

Renton555: shows [6c 4c] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
HOUSEMYGROOV: mucks hand
Renton555 collected $213.90 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $216.90 | Rake $3
Board [3s 9c 2d Jh 5h]
Seat 1: liji (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Shevvers (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: Renton555 (big blind) showed [6c 4c] and won ($213.90) with a straight, Deuce to Six
Seat 4: HOUSEMYGROOV mucked [As 4s]
Seat 5: Zefa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Lucky_WIns folded before Flop (didn't bet)





GOD BLESS AMERICA

PokerStars GAME #7477342488: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/17 - 00:37:51 (ET)
Table 'Eriphyla II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: texaspoker88 ($20 in chips)
Seat 2: kylkitoxin ($31.70 in chips)
Seat 4: GamblerNCH ($87.40 in chips)
Seat 5: jmoney1157 ($188.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Renton555 ($98.50 in chips)
Renton555: posts small blind $0.50
texaspoker88: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Kc Kd]

kylkitoxin: folds
GamblerNCH: raises $3 to $4
jmoney1157: calls $4
Renton555: raises $12 to $16
texaspoker88: folds
GamblerNCH: folds
jmoney1157: calls $12

*** FLOP *** [4h 3c 2d]

Renton555: bets $26
jmoney1157: calls $26

*** TURN *** [4h 3c 2d] [7h]

Renton555: bets $56.50 and is all-in
jmoney1157: calls $56.50

*** RIVER *** [4h 3c 2d 7h] [Qh]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

Renton555: shows [Kc Kd] (a pair of Kings)
jmoney1157: shows [3h 3s] (three of a kind, Threes)
jmoney1157 collected $200 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $202 | Rake $2
Board [4h 3c 2d 7h Qh]
Seat 1: texaspoker88 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: kylkitoxin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: GamblerNCH folded before Flop
Seat 5: jmoney1157 (button) showed [3h 3s] and won ($200) with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 6: Renton555 (small blind) showed [Kc Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings






Got this guy back!!!! He was a habitual slowplayer.

PokerStars GAME #7478792112: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/17 - 03:01:59 (ET)
Table 'Eriphyla II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Lucky_WIns ($103.20 in chips)
Seat 2: HD's lady ($28.60 in chips)
Seat 5: jmoney1157 ($474.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Renton555 ($101.25 in chips)
Lucky_WIns: posts small blind $0.50
HD's lady: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Tc 8c]

jmoney1157: raises $3 to $4
Renton555: calls $4
Lucky_WIns: folds
HD's lady: folds

*** FLOP *** [Ks 4c Ad]

jmoney1157: checks
Renton555: checks

*** TURN *** [Ks 4c Ad] [2c]

jmoney1157: checks
Renton555: bets $8
johnnyvero joins the table at seat #3
jmoney1157: calls $8

*** RIVER *** [Ks 4c Ad 2c] [Qc]

jmoney1157: checks
Renton555: bets $23
jmoney1157: raises $127 to $150
Renton555: calls $66.25 and is all-in

*** SHOW DOWN ***

jmoney1157: shows [As Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)
Renton555: shows [Tc 8c] (a flush, Queen high)
Renton555 collected $202 from pot
jmoney1157 said, "nice river"

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $204 | Rake $2
Board [Ks 4c Ad 2c Qc]
Seat 1: Lucky_WIns (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: HD's lady (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: jmoney1157 showed [As Ah] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 6: Renton555 (button) showed [Tc 8c] and won ($202) with a flush, Queen high





JUST PUT ALL IN. Call is standard with all my outs, right?

PokerStars GAME #7478665160: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/17 - 02:45:34 (ET)
Table 'Priska' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: MaticeDog ($61 in chips)
Seat 3: Renton555 ($158 in chips)
Seat 4: warcoug ($95.25 in chips)
Seat 5: MontyCantsin ($80.10 in chips)
Seat 6: luckybacon ($98.50 in chips)
Fortunado will be allowed to play after the button
Fortunado joins the table at seat #1
MaticeDog: posts small blind $0.50
Renton555: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Kd As]

warcoug: folds
MontyCantsin: raises $3 to $4
luckybacon: folds
MaticeDog: folds
Renton555: raises $10 to $14
MontyCantsin: calls $10

*** FLOP *** [2d 3d 4c]

Renton555: bets $22
MontyCantsin: raises $44.10 to $66.10 and is all-in
Renton555: calls $44.10

*** TURN *** [2d 3d 4c] [Ac]

*** RIVER *** [2d 3d 4c Ac] [9s]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

Renton555: shows [Kd As] (a pair of Aces)
MontyCantsin: mucks hand
Renton555 collected $158.70 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $160.70 | Rake $2
Board [2d 3d 4c Ac 9s]
Seat 2: MaticeDog (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Renton555 (big blind) showed [Kd As] and won ($158.70) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: warcoug folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MontyCantsin mucked [6d 6s]
Seat 6: luckybacon (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)






PokerStars GAME #7479348002: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/17 - 04:29:47 (ET)
Table 'Sojourner' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: akalylou ($108.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Renton555 ($121.95 in chips)
Seat 3: UCIPitcher ($98.95 in chips)
Seat 4: vbc603 ($106.10 in chips)
Seat 5: Hiro88 ($28.95 in chips)
Seat 6: ufojoe ($26.35 in chips)
vbc603: posts small blind $0.50
Hiro88: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Qs Ah]

ufojoe: folds
akalylou: raises $3 to $4
Renton555: raises $10 to $14
UCIPitcher: folds
vbc603: folds
Hiro88: folds
akalylou: raises $10 to $24
Renton555: calls $10

*** FLOP *** [Ts 5d Qd]

akalylou: bets $30
Renton555: calls $30

*** TURN *** [Ts 5d Qd] [2s]

akalylou: checks
Renton555: checks

*** RIVER *** [Ts 5d Qd 2s] [7h]

akalylou: bets $17
Renton555: calls $17

*** SHOW DOWN ***

akalylou: shows [Ad Kh] (high card Ace)
Renton555: shows [Qs Ah] (a pair of Queens)
Renton555 collected $140.50 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $143.50 | Rake $3
Board [Ts 5d Qd 2s 7h]
Seat 1: akalylou showed [Ad Kh] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: Renton555 showed [Qs Ah] and won ($140.50) with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: UCIPitcher (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: vbc603 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Hiro88 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: ufojoe folded before Flop (didn't bet)




HACHACACHA

PokerStars GAME #7479224691: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/17 - 04:07:43 (ET)
Table 'Sojourner' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: akalylou ($82.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Renton555 ($153.90 in chips)
Seat 3: UCIPitcher ($94.50 in chips)
Seat 5: raymlea ($23.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Jron10485 ($104.80 in chips)
UCIPitcher: posts small blind $0.50
raymlea: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [3h 3c]

Jron10485: raises $2 to $3
akalylou: folds
Renton555: calls $3
UCIPitcher: folds
raymlea: calls $2

*** FLOP *** [5s Qc 3d]

raymlea: checks
Jron10485: bets $4
Renton555: raises $12 to $16
raymlea: folds
Jron10485: calls $12

*** TURN *** [5s Qc 3d] [4c]

Jron10485: bets $5
Renton555: raises $24 to $29
Jron10485: calls $24

*** RIVER *** [5s Qc 3d 4c] [7d]

Jron10485: bets $56.80 and is all-in
Renton555: calls $56.80

*** SHOW DOWN ***

Jron10485: shows [6d Qd] (a straight, Three to Seven)
Renton555: mucks hand
Jron10485 collected $211.10 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $213.10 | Rake $2
Board [5s Qc 3d 4c 7d]
Seat 1: akalylou folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Renton555 (button) mucked [3h 3c]
Seat 3: UCIPitcher (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: raymlea (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Jron10485 showed [6d Qd] and won ($211.10) with a straight, Three to Seven






PokerStars GAME #7476782619: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/16 - 23:54:28 (ET)
Table 'Aenna' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Beyonder01 ($100 in chips)
Seat 2: grande_frere ($159.10 in chips)
Seat 3: speedynutt ($185.15 in chips)
Seat 4: Unreal_Zeal ($75.95 in chips)
Seat 5: nomoreaces ($63.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Renton555 ($100.40 in chips)
grande_frere: posts small blind $0.50
speedynutt: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Kc Ad]

Unreal_Zeal: folds
nomoreaces: folds
Renton555: raises $3 to $4
Beyonder01: raises $10 to $14
grande_frere: folds
speedynutt: calls $13
Renton555: raises $86.40 to $100.40 and is all-in
Beyonder01: folds
speedynutt: calls $86.40

*** FLOP *** [6s Qs 8h]

*** TURN *** [6s Qs 8h] [Kd]

*** RIVER *** [6s Qs 8h Kd] [Ts]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

speedynutt: shows [Ac Ah] (a pair of Aces)
Renton555: mucks hand
speedynutt collected $212.30 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $215.30 | Rake $3
Board [6s Qs 8h Kd Ts]
Seat 1: Beyonder01 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 2: grande_frere (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: speedynutt (big blind) showed [Ac Ah] and won ($212.30) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: Unreal_Zeal folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: nomoreaces folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Renton555 mucked [Kc Ad]





Ugh. I was yelling obscenities at the monitor when he checked behind and this was the turn. I know I'm supposed to bet the flop, but I knew I was drawing basically dead, or he was drawing to 4-6 outs, was this not a good value check? I was thinking that QQ made up a good portion of his range, and that I would squeeze some more money out of it on the turn. As played, should I just check and give up on the turn?

PokerStars GAME #7477669416: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/17 - 01:04:37 (ET)
Table 'Roma IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Chappman ($70.60 in chips)
Seat 2: resetdave ($101.60 in chips)
Seat 3: Jager244 ($139.60 in chips)
Seat 4: Spazzzzz ($87.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Autoxmike ($202.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Renton555 ($99.85 in chips)
Renton555: posts small blind $0.50
Chappman: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Ah Kd]

resetdave: raises $3 to $4
Jager244: calls $4
Spazzzzz: folds
Autoxmike: calls $4
Renton555: raises $16 to $20
Chappman: folds
resetdave: calls $16
Jager244: folds
Autoxmike: folds

*** FLOP *** [Ts 4h Kc]

Renton555: checks
resetdave: checks

*** TURN *** [Ts 4h Kc] [Jh]

Renton555: bets $36
resetdave: raises $45.60 to $81.60 and is all-in
Renton555: calls $43.85 and is all-in

*** RIVER *** [Ts 4h Kc Jh] [Ac]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

Renton555: shows [Ah Kd] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
resetdave: shows [Qd Ad] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
resetdave collected $205.70 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $208.70 | Rake $3
Board [Ts 4h Kc Jh Ac]
Seat 1: Chappman (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: resetdave showed [Qd Ad] and won ($205.70) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 3: Jager244 folded before Flop
Seat 4: Spazzzzz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Autoxmike (button) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Renton555 (small blind) showed [Ah Kd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings






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